1 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:26,010 --> 00:00:11,920 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:28,839 hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone 4 00:00:37,030 --> 00:00:33,650 podcast episode number 571 for the 22nd 5 00:00:39,549 --> 00:00:37,040 of September 2019 Richardson is here 6 00:00:43,180 --> 00:00:39,559 coming to you from one of the famous San 7 00:00:46,630 --> 00:00:43,190 Francisco trams streetcars I'm on the F 8 00:00:48,970 --> 00:00:46,640 line F F I think it stands for fish 9 00:00:52,150 --> 00:00:48,980 because eventually this will take me 10 00:00:54,939 --> 00:00:52,160 down to Fisherman's Wharf coming up on 11 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:54,949 this week's show I speak to author 12 00:01:02,740 --> 00:00:57,290 Bailey Harris she's only 30 she's 13 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:02,750 written three books round Stardust find 14 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:04,489 out more coming up at the top of the 15 00:01:08,210 --> 00:01:06,270 show 16 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:08,220 following that I catch up with susan 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:09,990 gerbic from guerrilla skepticism on 18 00:01:17,090 --> 00:01:13,890 wikipedia as we have a tour of the 19 00:01:17,810 --> 00:01:17,100 famous Winchester Mystery House in San 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:17,820 Jose 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:21,210 a bizarre rambling mansion built in the 22 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:23,490 Victorian times 23 00:01:28,249 --> 00:01:25,740 after that it's Michelle Franklin life 24 00:01:32,730 --> 00:01:28,259 is wild Michelle's going to ask us the 25 00:01:37,980 --> 00:01:35,039 then to round off the show once again 26 00:01:40,410 --> 00:01:37,990 i'm with susan gerbic as i have a chat 27 00:01:43,530 --> 00:01:40,420 to her about the work she does at 28 00:01:44,810 --> 00:01:43,540 guerrilla skepticism and we do this in 29 00:01:47,630 --> 00:01:44,820 the wall 30 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:47,640 our office find out what goes on behind 31 00:01:51,810 --> 00:01:49,930 the scenes 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:51,820 well that's enough of me at the moment I 33 00:01:55,530 --> 00:01:53,050 don't think it's too long refill my 34 00:01:57,410 --> 00:01:55,540 stock we're gonna jump off see if I can 35 00:02:00,630 --> 00:01:57,420 find some nice fish to fry 36 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:00,640 pull up well I do that I hope you enjoy 37 00:02:24,610 --> 00:02:09,540 [Music] 38 00:02:27,310 --> 00:02:24,620 well folks only a couple of weeks ago I 39 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:27,320 was a dragon corn in Atlanta Georgia and 40 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:29,120 what a fabulous time I had I met all 41 00:02:34,810 --> 00:02:31,610 sorts of new and interesting people and 42 00:02:37,420 --> 00:02:34,820 one of the most interesting people I met 43 00:02:40,930 --> 00:02:37,430 happened to be sitting next to me and on 44 00:02:42,010 --> 00:02:40,940 the opening panel at the skeptic it was 45 00:02:45,130 --> 00:02:42,020 an author 46 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:45,140 not just any author a 13 year old author 47 00:02:50,350 --> 00:02:48,260 by the name of Bailey Harris and I'm 48 00:02:53,470 --> 00:02:50,360 delighted to say that joining me now all 49 00:02:57,730 --> 00:02:53,480 the way from Salt Lake City in Utah it's 50 00:03:00,640 --> 00:02:57,740 Bailey Harris I'm doing really well it's 51 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:00,650 fabulous to catch up with you again for 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:03,110 the interview and it was such a treat 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:04,610 for me to meet you and I was so 54 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:07,490 surprised to discover that you were an 55 00:03:12,370 --> 00:03:10,970 author sitting next to me and lucky me 56 00:03:15,370 --> 00:03:12,380 I've got a copy of your books right 57 00:03:17,860 --> 00:03:15,380 beside me let's talk about first of all 58 00:03:20,259 --> 00:03:17,870 the title of your very first book which 59 00:03:21,820 --> 00:03:20,269 is a pretty important word because that 60 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:21,830 really affects all the rest of your 61 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:22,250 books 62 00:03:27,430 --> 00:03:26,000 it's called Stardust Stardust let's talk 63 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:27,440 about that first and we can talk about 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:29,330 some other things where did this name 65 00:03:35,380 --> 00:03:32,690 star dust come from so what I was 66 00:03:39,490 --> 00:03:35,390 watching cosmos was my family when I was 67 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:39,500 eight years old I was Neil deGrasse 68 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:41,750 Tyson said our bodies were made out of 69 00:03:46,780 --> 00:03:43,730 Stardust and when I was eight years old 70 00:03:52,030 --> 00:03:46,790 this was very fascinating for me so I 71 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:52,040 ran upstairs and started to type my 72 00:03:57,940 --> 00:03:54,049 first book title was actually the book 73 00:04:00,070 --> 00:03:57,950 of truth and then I changed it it's very 74 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:00,080 similar to like the Book of Mormon I 75 00:04:06,970 --> 00:04:04,489 thought that would be funny so but we 76 00:04:09,340 --> 00:04:06,980 changed it to my name is Stardust I 77 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:09,350 thought it was it was just gonna be a 78 00:04:15,580 --> 00:04:13,209 great title for it because Stardust just 79 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:15,590 that's what we're made out of so 80 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:20,060 and yeah that's that's very true and of 81 00:04:25,930 --> 00:04:21,889 course now I'm thinking back to when I 82 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:25,940 was 15 and the very first series of 83 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:28,130 cosmos came out with Carl Sagan and he 84 00:04:35,140 --> 00:04:31,910 used to use the term star stuff I think 85 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:35,150 he used a lot of the time yeah he used 86 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:37,850 that as well no the grass Tyson he used 87 00:04:44,260 --> 00:04:42,110 our stuff but we did it start us I love 88 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:44,270 it I love it it's it's such a it's 89 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:46,430 almost poetic to say that we're made out 90 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:49,070 of Stardust that's fabulous in it and it 91 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:50,960 turns out to be a character in your book 92 00:04:56,650 --> 00:04:53,450 but let's talk about let's talk about 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:04:56,660 the fun we had at DragonCon you join me 94 00:05:01,060 --> 00:04:59,330 in the Dragon Con Parade I was dressed 95 00:05:03,969 --> 00:05:01,070 as a Greek philosopher but you addressed 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:03,979 us something else yeah I mean my family 97 00:05:10,750 --> 00:05:09,050 except my one brother didn't go but the 98 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:10,760 rest of my family went and we dressed as 99 00:05:17,379 --> 00:05:14,210 a scooby doo bunch we jested them 100 00:05:19,719 --> 00:05:17,389 because they're skeptical group and they 101 00:05:23,230 --> 00:05:19,729 always find the real person behind the 102 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:23,240 mask so that was a really really fun I 103 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:24,710 had so much fun there 104 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:26,810 especially because you were there and I 105 00:05:31,570 --> 00:05:29,360 I met so many cool people at this 106 00:05:33,219 --> 00:05:31,580 parading it was just so awesome it is 107 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:33,229 great to go to these things because of 108 00:05:37,210 --> 00:05:35,270 the people you meet it's good I think 109 00:05:39,580 --> 00:05:37,220 it's important to talk to the crowds who 110 00:05:41,740 --> 00:05:39,590 come along and give presentations but 111 00:05:45,070 --> 00:05:41,750 also that the wonderful people you meet 112 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:45,080 it's certainly a highlight for me but 113 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:50,120 you're you're only 13 and you've written 114 00:05:55,180 --> 00:05:52,010 three books already that's impressive I 115 00:05:56,710 --> 00:05:55,190 was I was I think I was 21 when I 116 00:05:59,379 --> 00:05:56,720 actually had a book come out and that 117 00:06:03,360 --> 00:05:59,389 was very exciting what was it like to 118 00:06:08,129 --> 00:06:03,370 see a copy of your very first book I I 119 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:08,139 still can't realize that I have had 120 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:11,210 written like so many books like it just 121 00:06:17,980 --> 00:06:14,930 it's unrealistic for me for me I think 122 00:06:20,950 --> 00:06:17,990 it's really cool that you do so many 123 00:06:22,170 --> 00:06:20,960 origami things like like those origami 124 00:06:24,180 --> 00:06:22,180 earrings I 125 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:24,190 almost been wearing everyday they're so 126 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:29,170 cool thank you very much that's nice to 127 00:06:33,390 --> 00:06:31,120 know that's nice no yes but it is 128 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:33,400 exciting when you can see your first 129 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:35,530 book in print I remember when when I saw 130 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:37,540 my first book it was I couldn't believe 131 00:06:43,980 --> 00:06:40,570 it either and my dad he was so excited 132 00:06:45,540 --> 00:06:43,990 to to see that one of his sons had a 133 00:06:48,470 --> 00:06:45,550 published book oh it was very exciting 134 00:06:54,270 --> 00:06:48,480 time and so I know what you're feeling 135 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:54,280 yeah yeah it's very unrealistic it 136 00:06:58,470 --> 00:06:55,210 certainly is 137 00:07:00,300 --> 00:06:58,480 now folks the book is called the first 138 00:07:04,050 --> 00:07:00,310 book it's called my name is Stardust and 139 00:07:05,910 --> 00:07:04,060 it's such a wonderful tale wonderful 140 00:07:07,650 --> 00:07:05,920 journey and it really is about the 141 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:07,660 history of the universe in a way isn't 142 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:08,490 it 143 00:07:18,330 --> 00:07:16,090 you really good ways like the 144 00:07:19,980 --> 00:07:18,340 single-celled organisms in the first 145 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:19,990 book my name is starters it really 146 00:07:25,590 --> 00:07:22,690 teaches you the way of life you know 147 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:25,600 especially with kids it's a good example 148 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:29,050 for that about all the stars in the 149 00:07:33,990 --> 00:07:31,570 galaxy the first one really describes 150 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:34,000 everything the second one is more about 151 00:07:40,410 --> 00:07:36,400 more about just the solar system and the 152 00:07:42,090 --> 00:07:40,420 third one's about just evolution so yes 153 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:42,100 the second book is called Stardust 154 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:44,710 explores the solar system and then we 155 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:46,030 have the third book which is called 156 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:49,810 Stardust explores earth wanders it it's 157 00:07:54,420 --> 00:07:51,910 a very wide range of topics you must 158 00:07:56,940 --> 00:07:54,430 find it when you're writing these books 159 00:08:00,030 --> 00:07:56,950 so interesting to discover all this 160 00:08:03,420 --> 00:08:00,040 history yeah especially when I was 161 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:03,430 writing with my dad about the solar 162 00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:05,890 system one I started getting the chills 163 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:08,440 learning about the other planets it was 164 00:08:13,470 --> 00:08:11,110 it's just so crazy to think that there 165 00:08:16,590 --> 00:08:13,480 are so many other things besides us out 166 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:16,600 there you know and when I was looking up 167 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:20,470 these many things like how Jupiter has 168 00:08:25,860 --> 00:08:23,950 all these things I it was just so it was 169 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:25,870 amazing just looking up all these facts 170 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:29,560 I think it's it certainly is that's one 171 00:08:33,029 --> 00:08:31,450 of the things that I love doing most of 172 00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:33,039 all is discovering new things and 173 00:08:38,370 --> 00:08:35,440 wonders about the solar system and the 174 00:08:40,710 --> 00:08:38,380 universe itself but no I guess you would 175 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:40,720 consider yourself to be somewhat of an 176 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:43,120 an activist what are you passionate 177 00:08:49,820 --> 00:08:46,870 about and why I'm mostly really 178 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:49,830 passionate about science education 179 00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:53,050 equality and atheism it's a really big 180 00:08:59,130 --> 00:08:56,500 part for me I feel that LGBTQ rights and 181 00:09:02,010 --> 00:08:59,140 women's rights are under attack and it's 182 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:02,020 important for us to fight for these many 183 00:09:07,950 --> 00:09:04,990 rights it's really important as also 184 00:09:13,530 --> 00:09:07,960 climate change teaching children the 185 00:09:16,410 --> 00:09:13,540 scientific method atheism which is like 186 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:16,420 religion is the main thing in our world 187 00:09:19,770 --> 00:09:17,830 fighting against science education 188 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:19,780 inequality we really need to fight for 189 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:21,730 that as well fighting for science 190 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:23,860 education I like where your heart is 191 00:09:27,090 --> 00:09:25,390 that that's where my heart is that I've 192 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:27,100 been fighting for science education for 193 00:09:33,630 --> 00:09:30,040 a long time and in in my case I found 194 00:09:37,230 --> 00:09:33,640 that the the interest that skepticism 195 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:37,240 has you know UFOs and monsters and ESP 196 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:39,490 and people reading people's minds is a 197 00:09:43,830 --> 00:09:41,710 wonderful way to introduce people into 198 00:09:44,970 --> 00:09:43,840 critically looking at things and 199 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:44,980 exploring science 200 00:09:53,850 --> 00:09:47,650 well maybe Stardust could look at ESP in 201 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:53,860 psychics one day I wonder that would be 202 00:10:00,720 --> 00:09:56,230 funny but what do you think is next for 203 00:10:03,510 --> 00:10:00,730 you I think I will honestly continue 204 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:03,520 activism I'm speaking with Richard 205 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:06,310 Dawkins and many others at saikhan in 206 00:10:13,370 --> 00:10:09,490 Las Vegas in October and I'll be doing 207 00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:13,380 that I think I will continue with 208 00:10:19,710 --> 00:10:16,870 evolution education gain based on the 209 00:10:24,179 --> 00:10:19,720 latest book in 2019 I'm going to me 210 00:10:27,929 --> 00:10:24,189 a evolution game I I think that's where 211 00:10:30,059 --> 00:10:27,939 I'm going so far so well and and school 212 00:10:34,079 --> 00:10:30,069 at the same time right yes definitely 213 00:10:36,179 --> 00:10:34,089 school definitely question there I don't 214 00:10:39,329 --> 00:10:36,189 know how you find the time now Bailey 215 00:10:43,259 --> 00:10:39,339 where can people get a copy of your book 216 00:10:45,420 --> 00:10:43,269 for themselves start as science calm 217 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:45,430 there we are folks that's an easy thing 218 00:10:48,420 --> 00:10:46,689 to remember and I'll put it in this 219 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:48,430 week's show notes head for Stardust 220 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:51,610 science one word.com you can find out 221 00:10:56,429 --> 00:10:54,730 all about these wonderful books and now 222 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:56,439 I think we're in for a special treat I 223 00:11:01,829 --> 00:10:58,689 think I hope that you might be able to 224 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:01,839 read us your very first book oh yeah I 225 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:05,410 definitely will be I'm going to just 226 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:17,880 hello everyone my name is Cyrus it's 227 00:11:21,510 --> 00:11:19,510 nice to meet you do you know what earth 228 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:21,520 is made of you know what you are made of 229 00:11:26,700 --> 00:11:24,180 well if not the today is your lucky day 230 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:26,710 throughout the history of our universe 231 00:11:30,990 --> 00:11:28,630 countless building the Stars have formed 232 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:31,000 and then exploded we mean tiny specks of 233 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:34,480 dust all over space about 4.6 billion 234 00:11:40,590 --> 00:11:36,850 years ago dust pursue some of those the 235 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:40,600 stars exploded and cube together to make 236 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:43,060 up our solar system our solar system is 237 00:11:52,290 --> 00:11:50,530 made of Stardust there are more than 100 238 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:52,300 billion galaxies in our universe and 239 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:54,430 there are hundreds of billions of stars 240 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:57,250 in each galaxy there are more stars in 241 00:12:02,340 --> 00:11:58,930 our universe than there are grains of 242 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:02,350 sand on earth our Sun is one of the one 243 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:03,700 of those buildings and building the 244 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:06,970 stars our Sun is made of Stardust there 245 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:08,790 are eight planets in our solar system 246 00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:11,830 the four inner planets are Mercury Venus 247 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:14,470 Earth and Mars the outer planets are 248 00:12:19,530 --> 00:12:16,600 called gas giants there are Jupiter 249 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:19,540 Saturn Uranus and Neptune the planets 250 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:22,450 are made of Stardust earth looks like a 251 00:12:27,540 --> 00:12:24,820 little blue bar when you look at ad it 252 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:27,550 from far away space it is so beautiful 253 00:12:33,090 --> 00:12:29,950 earth isn't made of Stardust as well 254 00:12:38,140 --> 00:12:36,070 millions of years ago earth long life 255 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:38,150 and my prepared beginning with simple 256 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:40,790 single-celled organisms those organisms 257 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:43,220 eventually evolved into all the plants 258 00:12:46,990 --> 00:12:44,690 and animals that we see today 259 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:47,000 those single-celled ancestors were made 260 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:49,880 to start us GE Lake is one of my 261 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:52,070 favorite ancient creatures teacher Li 262 00:12:58,930 --> 00:12:55,930 who lived about 375 million years ago 263 00:13:02,170 --> 00:12:58,940 took the leap was a fish with scales and 264 00:13:05,170 --> 00:13:02,180 gills but also had had response ribs 265 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:05,180 lungs and a neck teeth to Lake his rig 266 00:13:09,220 --> 00:13:07,130 could raise its body up out of the 267 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:09,230 shallow water where it lived fossils 268 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:11,330 like teeth see Lake shows us how fish 269 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:13,970 evolved into animals that welcome land 270 00:13:18,610 --> 00:13:16,250 like crocodiles keep to eat with me to 271 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:18,620 stir us dinosaurs lived on earth 272 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:21,050 millions of years ago my favorite 273 00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:23,170 dinosaur is the Brachiosaurus 274 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:25,640 Brachiosaurus was so tall that it could 275 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:27,529 eat the leaves from the top of very high 276 00:13:31,150 --> 00:13:29,210 trees but looked a little strange 277 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:31,160 because its front legs were longer than 278 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:33,290 its back legs but that is one of the 279 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:35,200 reasons why it's my favorite 280 00:13:41,470 --> 00:13:38,180 Brachiosaurus was 85 feet long and 281 00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:41,480 weighed 40 tons that's heavier than 5 282 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:45,440 elephants Brachiosaurus was made of lots 283 00:13:55,490 --> 00:13:52,790 around 65 million years ago soon after 284 00:13:58,450 --> 00:13:55,500 dinosaurs became extinct they lived a 285 00:14:00,970 --> 00:13:58,460 small mammal called purgatory purgatory 286 00:14:04,070 --> 00:14:00,980 was about the size of a rat or mouse 287 00:14:05,930 --> 00:14:04,080 humans did not exist yet most mammals at 288 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:05,940 the time were very small like preview 289 00:14:09,889 --> 00:14:08,399 tours those early nerves evolved into 290 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:09,899 all the later kinds of animals 291 00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:12,330 everything from bats to us primates like 292 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:14,700 monkeys and apes for Joris was made to 293 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:15,170 stars 294 00:14:20,030 --> 00:14:17,250 he an acquaintance of John there's a 295 00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:20,040 long time ago of pixies and fairies just 296 00:14:24,829 --> 00:14:22,320 kidding there's no evidence of real 297 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:24,839 unicorn species or phrase but they were 298 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:30,510 real they was me made the Stardust Lucy 299 00:14:34,130 --> 00:14:32,339 was one of the first eight black animals 300 00:14:37,490 --> 00:14:34,140 that walked upright much like we humans 301 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:37,500 do now shield about 3.2 million years 302 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:39,690 ago in Africa where her fossil bones 303 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:43,560 were found in 1974 Lucy was made of 304 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:46,320 Stardust I was born nine years ago and 305 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:47,850 I'm growing bigger and bigger each year 306 00:14:52,970 --> 00:14:50,730 I love this team dance and paint and I 307 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:52,980 made the started in so are you 308 00:15:01,879 --> 00:14:58,490 [Music] 309 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:01,889 that is my name is Sturgis my first book 310 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:04,170 well you know what Bailey is you are 311 00:15:08,210 --> 00:15:05,910 reading that I was actually following 312 00:15:10,549 --> 00:15:08,220 along with the book in front of me and I 313 00:15:13,429 --> 00:15:10,559 must say folks that it's full of really 314 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:13,439 wonderful rich illustrations has 315 00:15:19,220 --> 00:15:16,170 beautifully done thank you so much thank 316 00:15:20,629 --> 00:15:19,230 you the whole book is is great and the 317 00:15:23,660 --> 00:15:20,639 follow-up books are really good too so 318 00:15:25,249 --> 00:15:23,670 folks if you've got some kids who are 319 00:15:27,549 --> 00:15:25,259 wondering about the world wondering 320 00:15:30,290 --> 00:15:27,559 about the universe about science I think 321 00:15:31,999 --> 00:15:30,300 my name is Stardust is a wonderful 322 00:16:03,400 --> 00:15:32,009 introduction again you can get all that 323 00:16:16,169 --> 00:16:13,639 [Music] 324 00:16:18,329 --> 00:16:16,179 are you looking for a science-based 325 00:16:20,699 --> 00:16:18,339 medical podcast to answer all your 326 00:16:23,129 --> 00:16:20,709 questions about health check out the 327 00:16:25,229 --> 00:16:23,139 body of evidence whether you're curious 328 00:16:28,859 --> 00:16:25,239 about the potential benefits of omega-3s 329 00:16:30,509 --> 00:16:28,869 or the potential risks of vaping we take 330 00:16:32,699 --> 00:16:30,519 a look at the body of evidence to 331 00:16:36,299 --> 00:16:32,709 separate the noise the hype the lies 332 00:16:38,219 --> 00:16:36,309 from actual scientific rigor we do it 333 00:16:39,359 --> 00:16:38,229 with comedy skits the only logical thing 334 00:16:41,789 --> 00:16:39,369 to do is for me to take off all my 335 00:16:43,589 --> 00:16:41,799 clothes and run into the street no 336 00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:43,599 remember the first rule of podcasting 337 00:16:49,879 --> 00:16:47,440 always keep your pants on with jingles 338 00:16:53,789 --> 00:16:49,889 [Music] 339 00:16:55,469 --> 00:16:53,799 and by him discussing what the evidence 340 00:16:58,439 --> 00:16:55,479 has to say on the topic at hand or 341 00:17:00,509 --> 00:16:58,449 unless that is a pill but yeah it has it 342 00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:00,519 has the side effects of bloating gas and 343 00:17:04,169 --> 00:17:01,569 greasy stool which makes it very 344 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:04,179 unpleasant the body of evidence find it 345 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:06,610 a body of evidence dot CA or on your 346 00:17:12,149 --> 00:17:09,039 favorite podcast app the body of 347 00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:12,159 evidence medicine that tastes funny and 348 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:33,430 [Music] 349 00:17:41,340 --> 00:17:36,640 you find me outside the San Jose train 350 00:17:49,030 --> 00:17:45,550 it's a wonderful old style train station 351 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:49,040 something out of the movies and I was 352 00:17:52,750 --> 00:17:50,810 just I'm went here waiting for susan 353 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:52,760 gerbic from guerrilla skepticism on 354 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:54,890 wikipedia to pick me up and i spent a 355 00:18:01,550 --> 00:17:58,290 few moments looking around the station 356 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:01,560 and I couldn't help that think and I 357 00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:05,460 could walk up to the counter via 358 00:18:16,430 --> 00:18:11,460 stickers and just go anywhere in the 359 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:16,440 United States maybe not a while but it's 360 00:18:22,820 --> 00:18:18,510 quite a thought it's quite a thought 361 00:18:25,670 --> 00:18:22,830 anyway I'm here to visit Susan for a few 362 00:18:29,060 --> 00:18:25,680 days and give her a little bit of media 363 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:29,070 training and I think we should find some 364 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:31,050 time to have a few sceptical adventures 365 00:18:44,990 --> 00:18:43,230 along the way Winchester turning right 366 00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:45,000 folks we're heading for the Winchester 367 00:18:49,370 --> 00:18:46,980 Mystery House I've heard about this 368 00:18:52,580 --> 00:18:49,380 thing going way back to the 1970s when I 369 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:52,590 used to watch a show called oh now 370 00:18:57,380 --> 00:18:54,210 what's that Ripley's Believe It or Not 371 00:18:59,780 --> 00:18:57,390 with Jack Palance it could have been or 372 00:19:02,120 --> 00:18:59,790 could have been that's incredible shows 373 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:02,130 it from my childhood i'm with susan 374 00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:04,020 gerbic from guerrilla skepticism on 375 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:06,960 wikipedia I Susan hi Richard it's so 376 00:19:11,540 --> 00:19:09,210 great to have you here in my car we're 377 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:11,550 gonna have such a fun time yeah and 378 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:14,130 we're just driving through parts unknown 379 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:15,900 oh we're just checking the map now you 380 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:17,010 turned off because it's right there in 381 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:21,570 front of us oh we found it just getting 382 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:23,730 to it once you're here you can't miss it 383 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:25,620 watch you're gonna see it see that you 384 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:26,490 can see it right there 385 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:28,470 it's a massive house what that thing 386 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:31,110 yeah that's right here right in front of 387 00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:33,330 you oh my goodness me it's just coming 388 00:19:40,159 --> 00:19:36,150 up we're just passing a few signs now 389 00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:40,169 you can which sits behind the it's 390 00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:41,880 behind this is not anything there is a 391 00:19:46,399 --> 00:19:44,100 move you kidding God now the movie 392 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:46,409 theater bill so we're gonna go right 393 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:48,090 over here to the Winchester Mystery 394 00:19:52,610 --> 00:19:49,890 House I am shocked you've never been 395 00:19:54,830 --> 00:19:52,620 here before I'm shocked too and the big 396 00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:54,840 sign Winchester Mystery House right 397 00:19:59,299 --> 00:19:56,880 behind a set of traffic lights so it's 398 00:20:11,330 --> 00:19:59,309 sort of obscured a little bit unhinged 399 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:11,340 it says Wow looks fabulous even guest 400 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:14,490 parking must be down here is that Sarah 401 00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:21,750 would you pay to I turn to park they say 402 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:24,880 stop stop oh now he says go I guess this 403 00:20:27,899 --> 00:20:25,630 is it 404 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:27,909 where's the parking for the Winchester 405 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,730 house oh just trucks here reach around 406 00:20:38,909 --> 00:20:35,440 it's a little parking lot it's a bit 407 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:38,919 weird this is the first mystery soon is 408 00:20:48,930 --> 00:20:41,500 how do we park at the Winchester Mystery 409 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:48,940 House so I think it's right yeah thank 410 00:20:58,259 --> 00:20:55,799 there's less this must be it here must 411 00:21:04,139 --> 00:20:58,269 be there was fields here all over the 412 00:21:06,450 --> 00:21:04,149 place this was a huge field in here yeah 413 00:21:09,419 --> 00:21:06,460 this is nothing must be it yeah because 414 00:21:11,489 --> 00:21:09,429 the sign saying parking leads to really 415 00:21:13,289 --> 00:21:11,499 nowhere but anyway but we're in 416 00:21:15,089 --> 00:21:13,299 Winchester Mystery House which is signs 417 00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:15,099 will take us known ok let's park here 418 00:21:17,849 --> 00:21:17,019 that's right maybe that's the first 419 00:21:19,619 --> 00:21:17,859 trick isn't it 420 00:21:20,879 --> 00:21:19,629 there's the sign that takes us nowhere 421 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:20,889 so we have to come back 422 00:21:32,009 --> 00:21:23,529 alright let's go in have a party and 423 00:21:34,139 --> 00:21:32,019 explore the Winchester Mystery House we 424 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:34,149 made our way into the Winchester Mystery 425 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:35,740 House 426 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:38,169 tickets were bought and we waited in the 427 00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,320 courtyard for our tour to begin not too 428 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:43,120 many people around at that time of the 429 00:21:51,090 --> 00:21:47,080 day and our tour consisted of only seven 430 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:51,100 people the tour began in the carriage 431 00:21:57,570 --> 00:21:54,340 area and proceeded to wind its way 432 00:22:03,029 --> 00:21:57,580 through many rooms over a hundred in the 433 00:22:05,370 --> 00:22:03,039 end of this incredible house one room 434 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:05,380 led to another room to another room led 435 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:09,010 to a doorway led to a staircase led to a 436 00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:11,250 cupboard led to another staircase 437 00:22:17,340 --> 00:22:14,409 winding around up and down throughout 438 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:19,320 before long we were completely 439 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:21,850 disorientated and had no idea in what 440 00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,340 part of the house we were has one 441 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,039 bedroom led to a conservatory through a 442 00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:29,200 seance room through a secret passage to 443 00:22:37,169 --> 00:22:34,799 another floor and so it went our 444 00:22:40,259 --> 00:22:37,179 entertaining tour guide pointing out the 445 00:22:45,810 --> 00:22:40,269 curiosities and eccentricities of the 446 00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:45,820 house along the way mansion was once the 447 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:48,840 personal residence of Sarah Winchester 448 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:52,330 who was the widow of the firearm magnate 449 00:22:58,860 --> 00:22:55,690 William Winchester of the Winchester 450 00:23:02,340 --> 00:22:58,870 Repeating rifle Fame we were told that 451 00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:02,350 Sarah after her husband's death was 452 00:23:08,820 --> 00:23:05,590 supposedly instructed on the advice of 453 00:23:10,919 --> 00:23:08,830 her clairvoyant or through a seance that 454 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:10,929 the souls of those killed by the 455 00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:13,480 Winchester rifle would be haunting her 456 00:23:22,830 --> 00:23:18,340 and she was inspired to build a rambling 457 00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:22,840 mansion to appease their spirits one of 458 00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:24,190 the interesting things about walking 459 00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:27,100 around the house was remembering that 460 00:23:33,299 --> 00:23:29,230 Sarah was only about 4 foot 10 inches 461 00:23:37,019 --> 00:23:33,309 tall so a lot of the house was designed 462 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:37,029 for somebody of that height I had to 463 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:39,129 watch my head quite a few times going 464 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:41,710 from one room to another or from one 465 00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:45,510 staircase to another room and so on 466 00:23:51,490 --> 00:23:47,880 the reason Sara could afford to build 467 00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:51,500 such a rambling mansion was that in 1881 468 00:23:58,610 --> 00:23:55,080 after her husband's death she inherited 469 00:24:01,850 --> 00:23:58,620 more than 20 million dollars she also 470 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:01,860 received nearly 50% ownership of the 471 00:24:08,770 --> 00:24:04,710 Winchester Repeating Arms Company giving 472 00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:08,780 her an income of roughly $1,000 a day 473 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:11,640 equivalent to something like twenty six 474 00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:14,450 thousand dollars a day in today's money 475 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,980 throughout the tour our tour guide did 476 00:24:23,419 --> 00:24:19,679 make mention now and then - supposedly 477 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:23,429 spooky occurrences or motivations 478 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:25,650 throughout the house the seance room was 479 00:24:31,159 --> 00:24:28,049 particularly interesting but I must say 480 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:31,169 this aspect was not overplayed more 481 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:32,809 importantly the architectural 482 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:35,330 curiosities of the house were emphasized 483 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:38,820 it was a fascinating walk through the 484 00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:49,750 finally we ended up in the gift shop 485 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:53,390 all right well the two is over it was 486 00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:55,170 great I enjoyed that 487 00:25:01,910 --> 00:24:57,780 silly in front of Katrina oh you're 488 00:25:11,970 --> 00:25:08,580 and that was it's close to being inside 489 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:11,980 amazes I think I've ever been I think 490 00:25:17,490 --> 00:25:13,750 that's my third or fourth time doing the 491 00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,500 tour so it's still perplexing oh I'm 492 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:18,880 more interested in what you thought of 493 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:22,570 it um yeah it was very much like getting 494 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:24,700 a tour of a museum an old house which is 495 00:25:30,540 --> 00:25:28,480 exactly what it is but the azov 496 00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:30,550 staircases that go nowhere in the low 497 00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:33,580 steps and everything but it's more I got 498 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:35,260 the impression it was more catered for 499 00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:38,650 her eccentricities than anything else 500 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:41,020 and her her 501 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:42,850 I mean she's tiny little woman yeah I'll 502 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:45,850 foot 10 so the stairs were I think 503 00:25:49,050 --> 00:25:47,770 everything makes sense I know you see if 504 00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:49,060 you go by you see that there's a 505 00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:51,700 bathrooms with windows in them yeah okay 506 00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:53,380 that's a little odd that you can look 507 00:25:57,780 --> 00:25:55,150 right into the toilet that's a wee kazoo 508 00:25:59,730 --> 00:25:57,790 right but those were designed because 509 00:26:01,380 --> 00:25:59,740 she was a very old woman and if she fell 510 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:01,390 she wanted her servants to be able to 511 00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:03,730 see that she had fallen so they totally 512 00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:05,380 hung a cloth or I mean they could have 513 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:07,480 hung a cloth or something there's a lot 514 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:09,910 of this this incredible house which 515 00:26:14,730 --> 00:26:11,890 strikes me as being very practical oh 516 00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:14,740 it's extremely and they said she treated 517 00:26:19,290 --> 00:26:17,350 her servants extremely well and she did 518 00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:19,300 a lot of inventing a lot of the things 519 00:26:25,170 --> 00:26:23,590 that were labor saving devices for her 520 00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:25,180 servants and for mouths and she was a 521 00:26:29,620 --> 00:26:28,120 really interesting woman and I think she 522 00:26:31,660 --> 00:26:29,630 was a really 523 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,670 I mean if you've got more money than you 524 00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:33,440 can imagine the thing she was making 525 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:36,590 $1000 a day back in the in the in the 526 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:39,650 1850 the late part of the 18th century 527 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:41,990 early part of the 20th century that's a 528 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:45,290 lot of money yeah and when and that was 529 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:48,710 $1,000 a day in stock she inherited 20 530 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:52,850 million yeah so she was doing okay but 531 00:26:56,410 --> 00:26:54,650 she didn't wasn't a happy woman I mean 532 00:26:58,930 --> 00:26:56,420 she didn't have her picture taken she 533 00:27:04,330 --> 00:26:58,940 wasn't sociable she to her husband and 534 00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:04,340 her only child had died I mean money 535 00:27:09,070 --> 00:27:06,500 can't buy you happiness I really can't I 536 00:27:11,410 --> 00:27:09,080 mean it just just and and the idea that 537 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:11,420 she was into seances okay maybe she was 538 00:27:14,590 --> 00:27:13,130 but yeah you know what are you gonna do 539 00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:14,600 she could have done jigsaw puzzles all 540 00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:17,960 day long I'm glad is there's a few hints 541 00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:20,120 of spookiness about the tool but largely 542 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:22,840 not right there's a lot of history and 543 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:26,810 explaining the inventiveness of the 544 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:28,490 house I thought that's great 545 00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:31,310 anyway I think yeah I can recommend if 546 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:33,740 you're in the area I think visit to the 547 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:35,330 Winchester Mystery House is a pretty 548 00:27:48,969 --> 00:27:43,989 the Winchester Mystery House is located 549 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:48,979 at 525 South Winchester Boulevard San 550 00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:55,310 it's open daily from 9 a.m. and you can 551 00:28:05,020 --> 00:27:59,840 find out more by going to WWE my house 552 00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:11,690 [Music] 553 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,220 mordy skeptics in the pub present 554 00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:18,480 listening to the universe with 555 00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:23,940 gravitational waves Tuesday the first of 556 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:29,100 October 7:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. with dr. 557 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:32,330 Hannah Middleton astrophysicist 558 00:28:40,129 --> 00:28:38,010 University of Melbourne in 2015 559 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:40,139 gravitational waves were observed for 560 00:28:46,269 --> 00:28:42,450 the first time from the collision of two 561 00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,279 black holes a billion light years away 562 00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,600 gravitational waves make minuscule 563 00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,120 changes in distance which were picked up 564 00:28:56,019 --> 00:28:53,159 by the laser interferometer 565 00:28:58,700 --> 00:28:56,029 gravitational-wave Observatory 566 00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,710 gravitational waves gives us a new way 567 00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:00,960 to learn about the universe this 568 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:03,779 presentation is an overview of what has 569 00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:05,370 been discovered so far from 570 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:07,620 gravitational waves and what 571 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:11,630 observations can be made in the future 572 00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:14,429 that's Tuesday the first of October 573 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:17,070 mordy skeptics in the pub for more 574 00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:19,049 information check out the links on this 575 00:29:53,789 --> 00:29:37,669 [Music] 576 00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:53,799 life is wild with Michelle Franklin hi 577 00:30:02,820 --> 00:29:56,590 this is Michelle Franklin reporting from 578 00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:02,830 Darwin in the Northern Territory today I 579 00:30:09,149 --> 00:30:04,870 have a question for listeners outside of 580 00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:09,159 Australia are you afraid to come here if 581 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:11,860 so what is it exactly that you're afraid 582 00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:15,520 of I'm gonna take a guess and say that 583 00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:17,830 in your top 5 of scary Australian 584 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:20,500 animals along with snakes crocodiles and 585 00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,900 sharks you're probably also concerned 586 00:30:27,870 --> 00:30:25,120 about spiders and I don't blame you 587 00:30:29,399 --> 00:30:27,880 they're big they run sometimes they go 588 00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:29,409 inside your clothes and it can be pretty 589 00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:32,260 scary now I have a question for 590 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:35,140 Australian listeners do you agree with 591 00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:45,610 this concern we all know that funnel-web 592 00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:47,460 spiders are highly venomous 593 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:50,140 Redbacks lurk in every corner in our 594 00:30:54,659 --> 00:30:52,570 house and the whitetail spider is 595 00:30:56,340 --> 00:30:54,669 notorious for hiding in bedsheets and 596 00:31:00,000 --> 00:30:56,350 melting the flesh off its innocent 597 00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:00,010 victims but are we actually at risk from 598 00:31:05,180 --> 00:31:02,950 them do you actually know anyone who has 599 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:05,190 been seriously harmed by a spider I 600 00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:09,760 don't I have of course had angry 601 00:31:14,010 --> 00:31:11,860 Huntsman's run at me and jump and then 602 00:31:16,289 --> 00:31:14,020 mysteriously vanish right near my bed at 603 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:16,299 2:00 a.m. I've chased them out of the 604 00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:18,190 house wielding a broom only to have them 605 00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,289 turn and run back down the broom handle 606 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:23,440 and chase me back inside again I've even 607 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:25,210 had the unfortunate experience of 608 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:27,370 attempting to catch one by the light of 609 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:29,770 my phone only to have the accelerometer 610 00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,110 respond to my adrenaline-fueled recoil 611 00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:34,960 and automatically turn off therefore 612 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:37,000 plunging me into darkness with no idea 613 00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:39,950 where the spider ended up 614 00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,870 I will honestly take a red back or a 615 00:31:47,409 --> 00:31:44,559 white towel over a huntsman any day 616 00:31:49,210 --> 00:31:47,419 maybe not the funnel web but ask me 617 00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:49,220 again at 2:00 a.m. when that huntsman is 618 00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,320 lurking near my bed somewhere and I 619 00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,220 don't think this irrational fear of 620 00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,600 being touched by a huntsman actually 621 00:32:04,029 --> 00:32:02,240 counts as fear of spiders though I'm not 622 00:32:07,389 --> 00:32:04,039 really afraid that they'll hurt me I 623 00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:07,399 just don't want them to touch me and I 624 00:32:12,879 --> 00:32:10,039 expect that my lack of actual real fear 625 00:32:15,070 --> 00:32:12,889 comes down to lack of experience I've 626 00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:15,080 never personally experienced someone 627 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:17,960 being seriously harmed by a spider and I 628 00:32:22,029 --> 00:32:19,490 suspect that that's because they're not 629 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:22,039 actually that dangerous anymore and some 630 00:32:26,889 --> 00:32:25,250 of them probably never were granted some 631 00:32:29,230 --> 00:32:26,899 of our spiders are pretty dangerous on 632 00:32:31,539 --> 00:32:29,240 their own but since anti-venom was 633 00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:31,549 invented I don't think anyone has died 634 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:34,580 from spider venom in Australia the last 635 00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:36,470 recorded death from actual spider venom 636 00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,190 was in 1979 and since then the very few 637 00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:42,320 deaths that have been reported were from 638 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:44,360 secondary infections or allergic 639 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:46,370 reactions for impacts get a bad 640 00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:49,610 reputation because they're so common and 641 00:32:54,490 --> 00:32:51,580 they hang out in places where people are 642 00:32:56,490 --> 00:32:54,500 but despite constant exposure to red 643 00:32:59,860 --> 00:32:56,500 backs by millions of people every day 644 00:33:01,299 --> 00:32:59,870 bites are really not that common and now 645 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:01,309 that they get treated with anti-venom 646 00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,970 most people recover pretty quickly so 647 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:06,799 why are we irrationally afraid of 648 00:33:13,299 --> 00:33:10,010 spiders I think a lot of it comes down 649 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:13,309 to urban legends I can remember being 650 00:33:19,419 --> 00:33:15,470 terrified of White House spiders when I 651 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:19,429 first saw one I was confused and you in 652 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:21,110 my head that I'd been told they were 653 00:33:24,850 --> 00:33:24,049 extremely dangerous but I'd lived among 654 00:33:28,210 --> 00:33:24,860 them my whole life 655 00:33:30,669 --> 00:33:28,220 and never been bitten never known anyone 656 00:33:32,649 --> 00:33:30,679 that was bitten and it's a weird 657 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:32,659 disconnect between the truth that I've 658 00:33:37,389 --> 00:33:35,570 been taught and the reality that I've 659 00:33:41,379 --> 00:33:37,399 never experienced it despite ample 660 00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:41,389 exposure and opportunity the story goes 661 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:42,980 that you can be bitten by a whitetail 662 00:33:47,379 --> 00:33:45,049 spider while you're asleep and never 663 00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,389 even know it you don't feel anything and 664 00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:49,519 then mysteriously your flesh begins to 665 00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:52,190 necrotize and you end up with massive 666 00:33:57,580 --> 00:33:53,720 infected wounds 667 00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:57,590 eat away your skin and make big holes in 668 00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:01,120 your arms or legs but here's the thing 669 00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:03,950 in most of the diagnosed white house 670 00:34:09,849 --> 00:34:06,559 spider bites no one actually found the 671 00:34:12,700 --> 00:34:09,859 spider the symptoms just appear and the 672 00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:12,710 diagnosis is made on that alone there's 673 00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:14,629 been a lot of work done in this area in 674 00:34:19,059 --> 00:34:16,700 recent years and it's been pretty 675 00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:19,069 conclusively shown that the symptoms of 676 00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:21,230 a whitetail spider bite are immediate 677 00:34:26,619 --> 00:34:23,540 pain and swelling similar to that of a 678 00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:26,629 bee sting nothing like the painless or 679 00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:27,740 non-existent 680 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:30,679 initial bite and spontaneous necrotic 681 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:32,690 ulcers that get blamed on whitetail 682 00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:35,770 spiders but the legend persists because 683 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:38,419 people discover strange necrotic sores 684 00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:40,730 on their bodies and Google the symptoms 685 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:43,550 or seek medical help and even despite 686 00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,530 the mounting evidence they're still 687 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:48,159 diagnosed with a suspected spider bite 688 00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,770 and I've fallen for it myself twice I've 689 00:34:56,980 --> 00:34:53,839 seen spiders on my skin and then later 690 00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:56,990 developed a rash and being convinced 691 00:35:01,240 --> 00:34:58,430 that I must have been bitten by those 692 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:01,250 spiders in reality it's probably more 693 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:02,690 likely that I had a reaction to the 694 00:35:09,099 --> 00:35:05,650 plants that the spiders were sitting on 695 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:09,109 it's like a large scale version of false 696 00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:12,050 confirmation bias only it's being 697 00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,390 perpetrated by medical professionals as 698 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:17,119 well as the rest of us we all get told 699 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:18,770 that necrotic wounds are caused by 700 00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,990 spider bites so every time someone 701 00:35:25,569 --> 00:35:23,359 experiences those symptoms we chalk it 702 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:25,579 up as just another example of spider 703 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:29,450 bites causing necrosis in reality it's 704 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:31,240 been shown that spider bites are 705 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:33,530 extremely unlikely to be the cause of 706 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:36,730 seemingly spontaneous necrotic wounds 707 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:38,780 unfortunately the more likely 708 00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:41,930 explanation is one of several illnesses 709 00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:44,750 or conditions such as bacterial or 710 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:46,390 fungal infection poor circulation 711 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:50,720 diabetes or even unmanaged burns but if 712 00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:52,310 we continue to assume that their spider 713 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:53,960 bites we might miss an important 714 00:36:00,910 --> 00:35:57,770 diagnosis that being said given my 715 00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:00,920 irrational arachnophobia I'm sad to say 716 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:03,230 that on a bad day when I'm feeling 717 00:36:07,450 --> 00:36:05,390 particularly vulnerable I'd probably 718 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:07,460 still choose the necrotic bacteria 719 00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:10,370 over the hairy spider that jumps but hey 720 00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:28,550 we all have our sacred cows hey you 721 00:36:32,980 --> 00:36:30,860 fellow skeptics Medford here with 722 00:36:34,990 --> 00:36:32,990 Celeste reward your friendly host of 723 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:35,000 squaring the strange a podcast that 724 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:36,890 looks at topics ranging from Legends 725 00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:39,260 panics and cryptids debating myths 726 00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:41,480 psychology and folklore breaking things 727 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:43,550 down and picking things apart as we 728 00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:45,650 skeptics do we bring a few different 729 00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:47,990 perspectives on things pleasure for 730 00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:50,420 example is a witty cartoonist and Ben is 731 00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:51,710 a brilliant writer and longtime 732 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:53,780 skeptical investigator we don't always 733 00:36:58,450 --> 00:36:56,210 agree but we have fun trying and we 734 00:37:01,120 --> 00:36:58,460 learn new things join us for new topics 735 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:01,130 every week or two or browse our backlog 736 00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:03,410 of evergreen episodes available on 737 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:05,990 iTunes and all your podcast feeding 738 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,450 troughs squaring the strange take care 739 00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:37,530 I think we need to think here susan 740 00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:38,030 gerbic 741 00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:44,670 [Music] 742 00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:47,579 whose greens chords everywhere we've cut 743 00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:50,760 phones we've got cables we've got little 744 00:37:58,279 --> 00:37:53,880 discs and cameras and I go around the 745 00:38:01,579 --> 00:37:58,289 back here bags of equipment I'm at the 746 00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:01,589 nerve centre the den the hub the what do 747 00:38:05,779 --> 00:38:03,630 you call the war room the war room of 748 00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:05,789 guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia i'm 749 00:38:14,059 --> 00:38:09,720 with susan gerbic once again and a quick 750 00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:14,069 look around this this centre here oh 751 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:17,700 look at this an origami elephant framed 752 00:38:22,309 --> 00:38:19,890 on the wall there on the bookcase oh 753 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:22,319 that's a nice one that's you and the 754 00:38:28,579 --> 00:38:26,490 late Robert Lancaster anyway here we are 755 00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:28,589 this is where and you're at the desk 756 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:30,630 I'll just sit down here beside you this 757 00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,210 is where you conduct a lot of what 758 00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:35,579 happens for guerrilla skepticism on 759 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:37,619 Wikipedia you are involved in a project 760 00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:39,450 now which we won't go into but you're 761 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:41,250 just showing me the information that 762 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:43,410 you're gathering oh my gosh there's so 763 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:45,510 much to do every time I turn around it's 764 00:38:50,059 --> 00:38:47,670 like these psychics are just painting me 765 00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:50,069 asking me to research them and report 766 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:52,440 back on am i I can't keep up that 767 00:38:57,799 --> 00:38:54,930 baiting you nice I swear they're baiting 768 00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:57,809 me well that's I mean without going into 769 00:39:01,249 --> 00:38:59,130 details because it's a bit of a secret 770 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:01,259 term project you're doing at the moment 771 00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:03,930 Derek there are there are some psychics 772 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:06,420 on your radar and there are various 773 00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,170 projects involved concerning them and 774 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,480 that's as far as we'll talk about that 775 00:39:16,009 --> 00:39:14,880 at the moment I'm privy to what's going 776 00:39:18,289 --> 00:39:16,019 on I'm having a look at some of the 777 00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:18,299 information you're gathering and how 778 00:39:22,579 --> 00:39:20,190 much of what you do is just get them 779 00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:22,589 gathering this information well you know 780 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:25,460 we have to have evidence for everything 781 00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:27,569 it's alright it's a plane going overhead 782 00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:29,640 it happens to me all the time in fact 783 00:39:33,019 --> 00:39:31,500 I'm sure that the local airport waits 784 00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:33,029 till I'm recording then they send planes 785 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:37,859 carry on it's all right so what I do is 786 00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,890 we spend a lot of time you know just 787 00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:42,599 checking to make sure that we have 788 00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:45,630 everything with evidence I don't want to 789 00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:47,670 speculate I don't want to say they're 790 00:39:52,579 --> 00:39:49,500 using an earpiece I don't want to say 791 00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:52,589 he's probably doing it this way unless I 792 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:56,609 have a screenshot of it or a video of it 793 00:39:59,599 --> 00:39:57,930 or audio of 794 00:40:00,980 --> 00:39:59,609 I really don't want to say what's 795 00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:00,990 happening so we do a lot of 796 00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:04,859 screenshotting a lot of archiving if I'm 797 00:40:10,099 --> 00:40:07,680 looking at a video of a psychic reading 798 00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,109 I'm going to download the video so that 799 00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:12,359 it stays someplace safe I'll probably 800 00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:15,180 not put it up anywhere but I we keep a 801 00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:16,950 copy I mean I do the same sort of thing 802 00:40:21,799 --> 00:40:18,180 if there's something coming up which is 803 00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:21,809 of importance to skepticism and I think 804 00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:24,839 it could disappear then yes by all means 805 00:40:29,890 --> 00:40:28,380 we archive it we may not ever see it 806 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:29,900 again but it's there if we need it 807 00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:32,430 absolutely and we I find this with 808 00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:34,500 people all the time they'll say oh I saw 809 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:37,140 that psychic so-and-so said this or the 810 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:39,450 this cancer person cancer quack or 811 00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,210 anti-vaxxer or whatever it was said this 812 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:44,400 thing and it's like well that's nice but 813 00:40:48,140 --> 00:40:46,410 you need to archive it so I have an 814 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:48,150 archive button right here on my computer 815 00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:50,730 that takes me just a couple seconds to 816 00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:53,550 archive things plus then you screenshot 817 00:40:58,819 --> 00:40:56,280 or whatever but everything has to be 818 00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,829 saved everything has to be in a place 819 00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:01,200 where you can retrieve it and then I'll 820 00:41:07,099 --> 00:41:03,569 put it on a cloud so that I can retrieve 821 00:41:10,549 --> 00:41:07,109 it from wherever I'm at but it's very 822 00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,559 important that we have evidence for 823 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:12,839 whatever we're going to say for example 824 00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,970 the the the video that we stumbled 825 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:16,380 across and we started researching the 826 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:19,650 other day that you were talking about it 827 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,000 was a psychic saying that they did a 828 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:26,160 reading and the person said oh my gosh 829 00:41:30,859 --> 00:41:28,530 that the psychic was so correct because 830 00:41:32,809 --> 00:41:30,869 there's no way he could have gotten that 831 00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:32,819 information except from my dead father 832 00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:35,220 and so that's an evidentiary claim 833 00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:36,990 that's a that's evidence I mean that's 834 00:41:40,819 --> 00:41:38,910 something we can check so when somebody 835 00:41:44,059 --> 00:41:40,829 says that we say oh really 836 00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:44,069 let's see what the psychic said and I 837 00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:45,540 mean let's see what the psychic said and 838 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:46,920 let's see what your Facebook or your 839 00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:48,780 Twitter or your social media accounts 840 00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,839 said on that day so we'll go back we'll 841 00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,720 look at what it was that was said and 842 00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:56,400 then we just screenshot everything and 843 00:42:00,260 --> 00:41:58,200 that's how you kind of go back and you 844 00:42:03,170 --> 00:42:00,270 can prove well he could have been 845 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:03,180 talking to a dead person or he could 846 00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:04,530 have been looking at your social media 847 00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:08,040 page just like I did which has the 848 00:42:12,810 --> 00:42:10,360 information you were just saying there 849 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:12,820 no way they could have known exactly the 850 00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:14,770 other the other time that we hear there 851 00:42:20,490 --> 00:42:17,950 is no way they could have known red flag 852 00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,500 for us of course that's a red flag and 853 00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:22,960 we discover it's purely cold reading and 854 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:24,790 of course a good cold reading will leave 855 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:27,070 the victim with the impression there is 856 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:28,990 no way they could have known but when 857 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:30,970 you unpick it psychologically you can 858 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:32,530 see it's just standard cold reading 859 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:34,270 techniques so we're talking about cold 860 00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:36,970 reading which is where the psychic and 861 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:38,710 we use the term psychic in air quotes 862 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:41,830 folks it's just a shortcut the psychic 863 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:43,210 will use cold reading which is just 864 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:45,010 purely psychological techniques or hot 865 00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:47,410 reading where they know they have 866 00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:51,160 researched bio whatever means they might 867 00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:52,780 know something about the person by 868 00:42:57,150 --> 00:42:54,760 talking to family members but more 869 00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:57,160 likely these days they just run online 870 00:43:01,230 --> 00:42:59,290 and they go to their Facebook they go to 871 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,240 social media tweets or whatever and they 872 00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:02,940 can discover all sorts of things 873 00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:05,380 absolutely and we're seeing this more 874 00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,060 and more it's becoming more common 875 00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:08,560 because people don't realize how much 876 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:11,980 information out there is on you know 877 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:14,260 each person yeah I get often people will 878 00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:15,370 say well why don't you just get a 879 00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:18,070 reading from psychic XYZ as if that's 880 00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:19,480 going to give me some kind of evidence 881 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:21,820 that I'm gonna believe and my response 882 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:24,130 is there's nothing they can't find out 883 00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:25,990 about me I mean there's probably a 884 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:29,260 thousand photos out in social media that 885 00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,290 I've taken or are of me some of them are 886 00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:34,960 in my office where okay it's a picture 887 00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:36,460 of me but you can see my bookcases 888 00:43:41,790 --> 00:43:39,670 behind me you can see photographs on 889 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:41,800 shelves behind me you can see the books 890 00:43:47,310 --> 00:43:45,250 I read you can you can find you could 891 00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:47,320 probably find anything you wanted to you 892 00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:48,790 can get the name of my first grade 893 00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:51,100 teacher and my first car I purchased 894 00:43:55,290 --> 00:43:53,230 yeah the thing you can do of course is 895 00:43:57,420 --> 00:43:55,300 you just turn up called yourself to a 896 00:43:59,970 --> 00:43:57,430 psychic reading we're giving them no 897 00:44:02,370 --> 00:43:59,980 chance beforehand to do any research on 898 00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:02,380 you or you can do something that I know 899 00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:04,900 some people do is they leave little what 900 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:07,120 shall we call them landmines and social 901 00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:09,490 media you know falsehoods completely 902 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:11,230 false things about themselves so if it 903 00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:13,870 ever comes up they say ah well that was 904 00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:15,670 something I left which is completely 905 00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:18,220 untrue absolutely the the thing of it is 906 00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:20,380 is what is it you're trying to do we 907 00:44:22,890 --> 00:44:21,640 know they're cold reading we know 908 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:22,900 they're hot reading if you're just doing 909 00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:24,130 investigative work 910 00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:27,310 for your own your own sake and of course 911 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:28,600 I have to do that kind of thing when 912 00:44:31,530 --> 00:44:30,250 we're investigating a certain psychic 913 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:31,540 you need to know what their techniques 914 00:44:37,350 --> 00:44:35,680 are but why go to a psychic and leave a 915 00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,360 little bit of information so that you 916 00:44:41,850 --> 00:44:39,520 can what what are you doing that's true 917 00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:41,860 that's true and yeah as if as if you 918 00:44:46,590 --> 00:44:43,960 need that to know old they're not 919 00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:46,600 psychic after all well how about that 920 00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:48,820 how you know how shocking is that but 921 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:50,020 that's one thing that you're involved 922 00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:51,970 with the course but the whole guerrilla 923 00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:53,740 skepticism on Wikipedia you've got a 924 00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:55,750 team of people out there all around the 925 00:45:00,300 --> 00:44:58,630 world all corresponding with you in one 926 00:45:01,710 --> 00:45:00,310 way or another and all getting training 927 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:01,720 I mean when do you get time to do 928 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:04,770 anything else well you know my team is 929 00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:07,810 amazing they are located all over the 930 00:45:12,570 --> 00:45:09,460 world and I do receive messages from 931 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:12,580 them 24/7 I'm you know I'll be like we 932 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:14,050 went to the aquarium today and I was 933 00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:16,570 receiving messages from the team but 934 00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:19,060 they it's great it's a wonderful filling 935 00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:20,380 to be able to go somewhere and give 936 00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,990 suggestions but they work on their own 937 00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:24,160 all of our training is done in the 938 00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:26,740 secret cabal on Facebook so they're 939 00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:29,020 there to talk to each other and if 940 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:30,670 somebody has a question they can ask me 941 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:32,770 directly or they can ask in the secret 942 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:34,770 cabal somebody will answer and 943 00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:36,910 everything's on Google Documents for 944 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:40,150 them to learn you know I feel like I I 945 00:45:45,870 --> 00:45:43,810 could probably go for another ten people 946 00:45:48,570 --> 00:45:45,880 a day it's really not that much work for 947 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:48,580 me and now of course you've just been 948 00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:50,650 the first graduate of the sceptics own 949 00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:52,900 media training academy you have a 950 00:45:57,540 --> 00:45:55,150 certificate to prove it yesterday folks 951 00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,550 we spent hours here in in the office in 952 00:46:02,640 --> 00:45:59,920 the the heartland of the wall room and I 953 00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:02,650 gave you lots of training on microphone 954 00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:04,660 techniques how to set up recording stuff 955 00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:07,990 like that editing and we look forward to 956 00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:10,750 hearing the results oh that was that was 957 00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:12,220 eye-opening I have learned so much from 958 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:14,680 having Richard here just in the last day 959 00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:17,290 I mean just silly little tips that I had 960 00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:19,990 not even thought of he'd watch how I was 961 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:21,820 using the computer and he'd say well why 962 00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:23,710 don't you just get an extension cord and 963 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:25,870 do it this way and I said I don't know I 964 00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:28,210 never even dawned on me yeah I guess 965 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:30,220 that makes sense let's do that and the 966 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:32,050 training was terrific everyone and I 967 00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:33,610 think Richard should come out and train 968 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:36,070 everybody on how to do really great 969 00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:37,810 audio so the 970 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:40,720 let's see what happens because the next 971 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:43,690 time you get you send me a report we'll 972 00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:45,490 we should all be able to hear the 973 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:46,990 difference pressure is on the pressure 974 00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:49,210 is on and you didn't know your iPhone 975 00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:51,640 could do so much did you absolutely not 976 00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:56,200 I can edit how do you on that and I well 977 00:47:00,840 --> 00:46:59,170 I'm amazed the technology we have now is 978 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:00,850 incredible and it's it's great to be 979 00:47:06,350 --> 00:47:03,370 able to take advantage of that well this 980 00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,360 folks this has been a quick sneak peek I 981 00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:08,560 won't say look because you're not 982 00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:11,230 looking this has been well say it's a 983 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:12,700 sneak peek behind the scenes here at 984 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:15,370 guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia Susan 985 00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:17,050 if there are people out there who want 986 00:47:21,330 --> 00:47:18,580 to make a difference in the world 987 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:21,340 especially through editing Wikipedia 988 00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:24,490 putting up good information what should 989 00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,500 they do they should reach out to me 990 00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:28,960 reach out to me on Facebook that's the 991 00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:30,430 easiest place to get a hold of me and 992 00:47:34,350 --> 00:47:32,470 I'm apologize to all those people out 993 00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:34,360 there who refuse to use Facebook it's 994 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:37,180 that's you don't have to use Facebook 995 00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:38,740 other than just having an account to 996 00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:41,740 reach out to us and beyond the cabal but 997 00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:43,540 that's the easiest place to get a hold 998 00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:45,870 of us or you can go to our website about 999 00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:49,270 time dot org and you can get all kinds 1000 00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:50,740 of information about different 1001 00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:52,510 investigations we've done besides as 1002 00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:54,820 well as the GSO W Project Monterey 1003 00:48:00,090 --> 00:47:56,830 County skeptics which is my local group 1004 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:00,100 or any number of other things that are 1005 00:48:04,830 --> 00:48:02,410 that you'll find on our website all 1006 00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:04,840 right there's the clue folks once again 1007 00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,480 Susan it's wonderful to be visiting you 1008 00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:09,280 here for the moment I had a visit last 1009 00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:12,070 night from a disembodied spirit I really 1010 00:48:17,850 --> 00:48:14,680 did I was in your guest room happily 1011 00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:17,860 tossing Zed's at the ceiling dreaming of 1012 00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:19,870 I don't know what and suddenly I hear 1013 00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,300 this ghostly I have three cats and one 1014 00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:26,800 of them is just he's just a little 1015 00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:28,150 coward he doesn't want to come around 1016 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:30,280 anybody at any time until he gets to 1017 00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:32,530 know him that person and he in the 1018 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:34,030 middle of the night he came out and I 1019 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:37,330 could hear him wow wow which is the sign 1020 00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:39,370 there's something in his mouth so I had 1021 00:48:44,310 --> 00:48:40,900 to get up and he was outside Richard's 1022 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:44,320 door with a dead mouse and I had to get 1023 00:48:47,790 --> 00:48:46,210 the mouse and throw him in the mouse out 1024 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:47,800 I think he was leaving it for you 1025 00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:49,330 Richard he was trying to show you that 1026 00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:50,830 he's the provider of this house 1027 00:48:55,230 --> 00:48:52,990 maybe what did you leave and he was 1028 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:55,240 showing you that he's actually you know 1029 00:48:59,730 --> 00:48:57,490 handles the food in the house or 1030 00:49:03,600 --> 00:48:59,740 something or maybe was just showing you 1031 00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:03,610 he's an equal I don't know in the middle 1032 00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:05,140 of the night halfway through my dream I 1033 00:49:11,820 --> 00:49:08,740 hear this this this cat from hell 1034 00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:11,830 noise and then I hate you coming up the 1035 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:17,830 whole way and I didn't want to throw I 1036 00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:19,330 did not want to put on the lights and 1037 00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,560 everything it was a late at night but 1038 00:49:25,950 --> 00:49:23,680 why who knows cats do what they do you 1039 00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:25,960 have your - we do you know what's gonna 1040 00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:27,700 happen is you're gonna go for a psychic 1041 00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:28,900 reading one day they're gonna say I 1042 00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:32,680 sense some cats in your house and what's 1043 00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:35,830 this about a dead mouse we know when we 1044 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:38,230 get up in the morning to carefully look 1045 00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,370 at the floor where you're walking 1046 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:40,960 before you having that's a very good 1047 00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:44,410 idea from the heartland the the nerve 1048 00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:46,060 center the war room of guerrilla 1049 00:49:50,820 --> 00:49:48,460 skepticism on Wikipedia Susan go back 1050 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:50,830 thank you very much thank you Richard 1051 00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:55,650 and just to be clear that website is 1052 00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:00,640 about time of project dot wordpress.com 1053 00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,960 [Music] 1054 00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:09,630 the earth is only six thousand years old 1055 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:11,710 that's what Answers in Genesis and the 1056 00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:14,650 Creation Museum say and how can a museum 1057 00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:18,880 be wrong isn't dr. oz just wonderful I 1058 00:50:24,860 --> 00:50:21,910 love today's episode it didn't talk down 1059 00:50:27,090 --> 00:50:24,870 to his adoring audience of women at all 1060 00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,100 science has proved that the subatomic 1061 00:50:32,010 --> 00:50:29,440 quantum realm is as real as it is 1062 00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:32,020 counterintuitive and bizarre therefore I 1063 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:33,790 can use it to support quantum healing 1064 00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:36,610 and quantum consciousness after all how 1065 00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:38,500 can journals like Aquarius metaphysics 1066 00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:41,110 be wrong evolution is just a theory 1067 00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:43,180 after all if we came from monkeys then 1068 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:46,270 why are there still monkeys we all have 1069 00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:47,530 friends and family who believe these 1070 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:50,110 things and much more well if you're a 1071 00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:52,090 rational thinker who is tired of arguing 1072 00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:53,860 on social media and never getting 1073 00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:55,750 anywhere we have a solution for you 1074 00:51:00,420 --> 00:50:57,970 join the guerrilla skepticism on 1075 00:51:02,850 --> 00:51:00,430 wikipedia team and we will teach you how 1076 00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:02,860 to add reliable scientific and skeptical 1077 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:04,750 information to the world's 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guerrilla 1092 00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,990 skepticism the time is now 1093 00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:42,880 music by purple planet calm 1094 00:51:59,330 --> 00:51:55,760 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1095 00:52:01,550 --> 00:51:59,340 zone this week I'm down here by the bay 1096 00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:01,560 side there's oh there's sea lion how 1097 00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:04,860 about that swimming along near the 1098 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:08,160 submarine images on display the USS Penn 1099 00:52:13,099 --> 00:52:11,250 auntie No 1100 00:52:14,810 --> 00:52:13,109 and I look over to my right I can see 1101 00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:14,820 some fairies launching out into the bay 1102 00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,220 and look past the submarine and there's 1103 00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,200 Alcatraz in the background 1104 00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:21,540 coming up next week's show we're going 1105 00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:22,830 to bring you a story about a horse 1106 00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:23,940 chiropractor 1107 00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:25,740 maybe he sounds like me at the moment a 1108 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:28,200 bit hoarse now I think it really is a 1109 00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:30,810 chiropractor who manipulates the spine 1110 00:52:39,730 --> 00:52:34,550 of horses or something weird like that 1111 00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:39,740 also an update on the area 51 fiasco 1112 00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:42,150 you will recall lots of people gonna 1113 00:52:46,310 --> 00:52:43,980 still marry a 51 but I don't think much 1114 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:46,320 happened I'll find out what really did 1115 00:52:49,339 --> 00:52:46,650 happen 1116 00:52:51,740 --> 00:52:49,349 we might even contact my buddy Ben 1117 00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,750 Radford for a comment thank you to those 1118 00:52:56,359 --> 00:52:53,760 people who continue to support the 1119 00:52:59,540 --> 00:52:56,369 skeptic zone with patreon I'd skipped 1120 00:53:05,180 --> 00:52:59,550 exam TV means a lot means the show keeps 1121 00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:05,190 going now behind me I walk through the 1122 00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:14,039 which is dedicated to 1123 00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:16,329 coin machines going back decades 1124 00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:21,260 probably over century old and new if you 1125 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:23,720 ever come to San Francisco come down to 1126 00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:25,250 Fisherman's Wharf and visit the museum 1127 00:53:36,310 --> 00:53:29,200 mechanic lots of fun 1128 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:45,430 lot's of all pinball machines 1129 00:53:49,759 --> 00:53:48,199 so from the mayhem of the museum 1130 00:53:57,799 --> 00:53:49,769 mechanic this is Richard Saunders 1131 00:53:59,599 --> 00:53:57,809 signing off from San Francisco you've 1132 00:54:02,199 --> 00:53:59,609 been listening to the skeptic zone 1133 00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:02,209 podcast please visit our website at 1134 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:08,910 wwlp.com tax and to access the bat 1135 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